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Message 728 - Posted: 9 Jul 2009, 11:33:37 UTC

I see that this issue has been discussed before, but it is something that really can't be allowed to continue. In the past most WUs that I have had have errored, but recently I am getting the majority to complete, only to find that I am the only one that has managed to complete each one, and so they can't be validated and there is no credit for many many hours of work. Surely you can increase the maximum number of total results or allowed errors to overcome this issue? What is the point of us spending many hours crunching only to successfully return work but (a) get no credit and (b) presumably have results that you can't use because you can't get a second result to compare with???
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Message 730 - Posted: 9 Jul 2009, 15:02:46 UTC - in response to Message 729.  

Same problem here.
Sorry, but I`m not prepared to waste any more computer time on this project, when I can do so much more good on more worthy projects.
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Message 731 - Posted: 9 Jul 2009, 15:43:49 UTC - in response to Message 730.  
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if thats what you want to do... we are ok with that... we are in alpha, not beta or a full project yet..... it takes time to do this if your budget is, very low.... but please, keep us on your list of projects for the future.
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Message 732 - Posted: 9 Jul 2009, 16:17:14 UTC

I've not really checked my machines until this morning, but was kind of surprised to see one of my hosts load.

It has 1600+ WU's "in progress", 11 "valid", about 475 "completed, can't validate", and 1000+ that never crunched and show "redundant result"

http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/show_host_detail.php?hostid=759

I think it's only set on 0.5 days cache, but can't verify that until I get home tonight.


Should I let them continue to crunch, or should I abort a good portion of these ? I understand that as an alpha project, you probably want to see results from a wide variety of machines, but I do not know if you are yet focused on obtaining results from the work beyond testing and working out bugs. I will let them crunch through regardless of outcome or credit if there is a value to allowing them to do so, but if there is not, than I might shave 1000 or so off the top.

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Message 733 - Posted: 9 Jul 2009, 17:49:26 UTC
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Message 736 - Posted: 9 Jul 2009, 21:41:48 UTC - in response to Message 731.  

if thats what you want to do... we are ok with that... we are in alpha, not beta or a full project yet..... it takes time to do this if your budget is, very low.... but please, keep us on your list of projects for the future.


I don`t mean that I will never crunch here again.
Just until the project has settled down, and the WUs are valid and my cpu cycles are doing something useful.

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Message 739 - Posted: 10 Jul 2009, 14:21:14 UTC - in response to Message 736.  

Those were canceled workunits I believe
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Message 740 - Posted: 11 Jul 2009, 0:02:03 UTC - in response to Message 739.  

Jack, all I was suggesting is that you increase the settings for max # of error/total/success tasks to something more than 5,5,3 to allow for WUs to at least get some sort of validation from one other completed one. Even 7,8,3 would give us all a better chance of returning useful work.
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Message 741 - Posted: 11 Jul 2009, 3:12:16 UTC - in response to Message 736.  

if thats what you want to do... we are ok with that... we are in alpha, not beta or a full project yet..... it takes time to do this if your budget is, very low.... but please, keep us on your list of projects for the future.


I don`t mean that I will never crunch here again.
Just until the project has settled down, and the WUs are valid and my cpu cycles are doing something useful.

Rick.



For you and Steven:

For alpha projects like this, which I don't often join (I think this is my second), I've come up with a solution that works for me. I limit the alpha projects to one host (the host I use daily on my desk), and that host only has a resource share of 10% for the alpha project. So, there is little difference in the daily output of credits even if all end up as part of a bad batch (if that were my primary concern, which it is not). This way, the credit damage takes no hit at all that is noticeable, I still get to use some resources for an alpha project that needs volunteers, and I can keep an eye on things like trends in WU reliability, etc. so I can report bad WUs.

If I had one host I would give 5% resource share for the alpha. It's my way of having my cake and eating it too with alphas. YMMV. :-)

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Message 742 - Posted: 11 Jul 2009, 15:04:49 UTC - in response to Message 740.  

Jack, all I was suggesting is that you increase the settings for max # of error/total/success tasks to something more than 5,5,3 to allow for WUs to at least get some sort of validation from one other completed one. Even 7,8,3 would give us all a better chance of returning useful work.


I tell you I go changing that and then someone else comes along and says its all wrong. :-(

I'd really like to just leave it alone and concentrate on getting the workunits better. Right now focusing on flexible docking.
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Message 743 - Posted: 11 Jul 2009, 15:11:16 UTC - in response to Message 741.  

If I had one host I would give 5% resource share for the alpha. It's my way of having my cake and eating it too with alphas. YMMV. :-)


We certainly appreciate any help you can give. Its up to the individual to decide how much to dedicate. Just giving 5% of your resources will benefit us and if I were in your situation I would probably allocate less computation power to an alpha project as well. There are many well established projects that have compelling research related to ours.

I'm hoping to have enough saved for October so I can meet up with the guys involved with GPU Grid in Barcelona. These guys have an impressive project. Soon we will adopt these GPUs and be able to more efficiently mode drug interactions.
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Message 745 - Posted: 11 Jul 2009, 15:40:38 UTC - in response to Message 743.  
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If I had one host I would give 5% resource share for the alpha. It's my way of having my cake and eating it too with alphas. YMMV. :-)


We certainly appreciate any help you can give. Its up to the individual to decide how much to dedicate. Just giving 5% of your resources will benefit us and if I were in your situation I would probably allocate less computation power to an alpha project as well. There are many well established projects that have compelling research related to ours.

I'm hoping to have enough saved for October so I can meet up with the guys involved with GPU Grid in Barcelona. These guys have an impressive project. Soon we will adopt these GPUs and be able to more efficiently mode drug interactions.


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Message 754 - Posted: 11 Jul 2009, 23:35:59 UTC - in response to Message 742.  

Jack, all I was suggesting is that you increase the settings for max # of error/total/success tasks to something more than 5,5,3 to allow for WUs to at least get some sort of validation from one other completed one. Even 7,8,3 would give us all a better chance of returning useful work.


I tell you I go changing that and then someone else comes along and says its all wrong. :-(

I'd really like to just leave it alone and concentrate on getting the workunits better. Right now focusing on flexible docking.


Oh well it was just a suggestion that seemed to me to be a simple way to assist. But of course, you are the boss. :-)
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