Put the numbers a bit higher for some time in "max # of..."

Message boards : Number crunching : Put the numbers a bit higher for some time in "max # of..."

To post messages, you must log in.

AuthorMessage
Profile Saenger
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 21 Apr 09
Posts: 53
Credit: 50,172
RAC: 40
Message 994 - Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 18:02:02 UTC
Last modified: 11 Aug 2009, 18:05:34 UTC

With this settings:
minimum quorum 3
initial replication 3
max # of error/total/success tasks 5, 5, 3
errors Too many total results


you should not send out WUs like this to new crunchers. Mine got cancelled soon enough, but the one with the probably valid result will probably get nothing without it being his/her fault.

Edith says:
This ones will never get valids without this change:
http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/workunit.php?wuid=34247
http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/workunit.php?wuid=34246
http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/workunit.php?wuid=34245

and a lot more
Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki
ID: 994 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive
Profile Tim Turner
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 1 May 09
Posts: 570
Credit: 184,322
RAC: 0
Message 997 - Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 18:46:18 UTC - in response to Message 994.  
Last modified: 11 Aug 2009, 18:49:17 UTC

this is too make sure that the actual app is also working b/c i've had several wu's work and others don't and it's a way to get a good judge on if the work is right..

also, if 3 out of 3 error out, and the next2 that are sent error out.. it pretty much means that wu is a bad one...
Tim Turner
Public Relations Admin
Secunia PSI: http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/
If you need help via voice or Convo; PM me and i will give you details on where i will be; Teamspeak, Yahoo Messenger, or Skype.
ID: 997 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive
Profile Saenger
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 21 Apr 09
Posts: 53
Credit: 50,172
RAC: 40
Message 999 - Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 18:53:24 UTC - in response to Message 997.  

this is too make sure that the actual app is also working b/c i've had several wu's work and others don't and it's a way to get a good judge on if the work is right..

also, if 3 out of 3 error out, and the next2 that are sent error out.. it pretty much means that wu is a bad one...

If 3 errored out, no further valid is possible with a max of 5 total results and a min of 3 valids.
ID: 999 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive
Profile Saenger
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 21 Apr 09
Posts: 53
Credit: 50,172
RAC: 40
Message 1003 - Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 20:38:32 UTC

I've been on the receiving end of this dumb numbers as well in this WU:
http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/workunit.php?wuid=32595
3 DL-errors because of missing app, 1 probably valid result (mine) 1 redundant result (lucky guy) and one who still waits for the declaration of his/her futile efforts to crunch this WU.

If there are already 3 WUs sent out with DL-error and you don't put the numbers in totals higher, you must not send any other result to any cruncher because it's impossible to get a validated result.
Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki
ID: 1003 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive
Profile Jack Shultz
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 10 Apr 09
Posts: 503
Credit: 120,150
RAC: 0
Message 1004 - Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 23:06:54 UTC - in response to Message 1003.  

I keep modifying these settings and it gives me a headache trying to figure out what makes most sense. Ideally we have a situation where 3 workunits get validated. In some cases you will have an error or two. How shall we set it if we want to be forgiven up to 2 errors?
ID: 1004 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive
Profile Tim Turner
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 1 May 09
Posts: 570
Credit: 184,322
RAC: 0
Message 1005 - Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 0:47:37 UTC - in response to Message 1004.  
Last modified: 12 Aug 2009, 0:49:22 UTC

5/7/3

yet of course, if we have a huge bad run it'll just keep sending those extra's out...

and i think most of which what Saenger is seeing is b/c most of those computers dled and had trouble with the app dl's like i did or something to this effect.
Tim Turner
Public Relations Admin
Secunia PSI: http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/
If you need help via voice or Convo; PM me and i will give you details on where i will be; Teamspeak, Yahoo Messenger, or Skype.
ID: 1005 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive
Profile Saenger
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 21 Apr 09
Posts: 53
Credit: 50,172
RAC: 40
Message 1006 - Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 6:29:13 UTC - in response to Message 1005.  
Last modified: 12 Aug 2009, 6:29:39 UTC

5/7/3

yet of course, if we have a huge bad run it'll just keep sending those extra's out...

and i think most of which what Saenger is seeing is b/c most of those computers dled and had trouble with the app dl's like i did or something to this effect.

5/7/3 would be fine, 5/8/3 imho better, the totals should always be at least (success + errors).

And yes, it's becaue of the app-dl probs after restart. The first 3 created tasks were sent unsuccesful to 3 crunchers, and of course all failed without an app.
NOw 3 new were created afterwards, and most of them still seem to be not send anywhere. But the total number is now 6, one more as allowed, and as soon as the last one is DLed by a cruncher the WU gets invalid because of too many total results
Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki
ID: 1006 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive
Profile rilian

Send message
Joined: 23 Apr 09
Posts: 19
Credit: 10,454
RAC: 0
Message 1007 - Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 7:13:21 UTC - in response to Message 1006.  

after updating software, i think you can just delete records with invalid downloads in current batch? or they are needed for some reason?
I crunch for Ukraine

Representing Ukraine team on the official board. Contact me via DD@H team forum for invite
ID: 1007 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive
Profile Saenger
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 21 Apr 09
Posts: 53
Credit: 50,172
RAC: 40
Message 1044 - Posted: 21 Aug 2009, 15:09:05 UTC

I've got one task of this WU, 3 are already errors, with 3 as a quorum it's impossible to get it validated with the max # of totals put to 5.

It seems as if you have done nothing in regard of this problem and are still wasting our CPU power for such absolutely futile tasks.

I've so far only put this WU on pause, as it's probably still possible to change the wrong numbers.

As long as you have a maximum total of 5 tasks per WU you must never send a new task if 3 errors are already reported.
Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki
ID: 1044 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive
Profile Tim Turner
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 1 May 09
Posts: 570
Credit: 184,322
RAC: 0
Message 1045 - Posted: 21 Aug 2009, 17:57:48 UTC - in response to Message 1044.  
Last modified: 21 Aug 2009, 18:00:11 UTC

the number will be changed on the next batch, but, for you, i'll ask jack if he plans on upping the number for this run...

and i'll suggest my 5/7/3 plan. or your plan of 5/8/3.
Tim Turner
Public Relations Admin
Secunia PSI: http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/
If you need help via voice or Convo; PM me and i will give you details on where i will be; Teamspeak, Yahoo Messenger, or Skype.
ID: 1045 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive
Profile Jack Shultz
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 10 Apr 09
Posts: 503
Credit: 120,150
RAC: 0
Message 1047 - Posted: 22 Aug 2009, 13:19:16 UTC - in response to Message 1045.  

I just updated the workunit template 5/8/3
ID: 1047 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive

Message boards : Number crunching : Put the numbers a bit higher for some time in "max # of..."


©2017 All rights reserved | Design by Digital BioPharm Ltd